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a crappy/unpopular Chicago Cubs baseball blog. (RIP: 10/7/04--1/21/08)

waxpaperbeercup

Friday, November 07, 2008

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Greetings All,

I have started a new Cubs blog titled waxpaperbeercup. I am following the goings on with the Cubs and mixing in some thoughts on Chicago and beer.

Come on over and take a look.

Thanks,
ccd

posted by CCD

Closing time

Monday, January 21, 2008

UPDATE: 1060west's John Dooley and, I think, frequent comment man Jim Leo have started a blog called ghostofpaulnoce. So get off of this page and go read something new over there! Now go...

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Dear reader, (that's in your honor gm)

Over the last several years, I have had a great deal of fun writing, on this little corner of Al Gore's interweb, my thoughts on the Chicago Cubs. As the Cubs approach the 2008 season, I have decided that I no longer will update 1060west. On one hand I am reluctant to do this (this could be the year!--LMAO), on the other hand I am quite relieved to go back to being a 'private citizen' Cub fan. While I have always enjoyed keeping this blog, I have enjoyed it less and less as time has moved on. So with that I've decided to end this experiment (an experiment that I never thought would last this long).

This page has had great contributors who have spent alot of time posting and commenting on this blog over the past several years. I want to thank each and every one of them. I am not sure what purpose any of this served, I do know at times maybe we said some things people liked and at times we said things people didn't. But hell this is a blog about a baseball team, nothing more or less. In the end I hope you enjoyed our little tainted vision of what was going on over at 1060 West Addison St.

So to all you readers out there--thank you very much for letting this crappy/unpopular blog be part of your interweb experience.

Go Cubs & Adios,

CCD

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Santo Marte De Rosa de Assisi Convention

Saturday, January 19, 2008





January usually marks a time of sporting fervor in the city of Chicago. Many others, among me, have taken to warm nights watching our beloved Bulls, Blackhawks, Bears, DePaul, or Illini games.

Unfortunately, the above mentioned teams have had little to no success in this Our Year of the Lord 2008.

Due to this oddity, I have lurched myself into Cubdom like never before.

On this 19th of January I took the leap of faith.

CUBS CONVENTION IT IS!!!!

The Cub convention did not get off to a stirring start for me. Upon leaving my place of residence, I found my Chevy Malibu's left side mirror smashed to smithereens. Apparently, some drunkard (maybe Keith Moreland) smashed my mirror to pieces. I was a bit disheartened. But not even sub zero weather would stop me from displaying my brand new 1987 Andre Dawson road jersey!

The first meeting of the day was the traditional "Meet Cubs Management" at 9 a.m. Apparently; Kaplan was sick and unable to emcee. I'm sure that if he was there, he would've found a way to skewer Aramis Ramirez, per usual. Needless to say, the absence for this viewer was a pleasant surprise.

Northwestern broadcaster Dave Eanet took time away from the SUCKFEST going on at Welsh-Ryan Arena to partake as emcee. You could almost see Eanet looking out amongst the chairs stating, "Dear Jesus! This room just outdrew the crowd for the Chicago State game!" Btw, Carmody fans, tickets still available. (Don't want to miss Texas Pan American on January 31st, and band 'Feel the Groove')

Eanet and Cory Provus did a fantastic job fielding questions, and keeping the majority of the stupidity out of the questioning. And that may have been the oddest occurrence of the day; out of the four separate seminars I went to, I'd say 90% of the comments were pretty solid. I was expecting some pretty stupid shit.

The panel consisted of Crane Kenney (Cape Cod look, Palo Alto personality), Jim Hendry, and Lou Piniella. Lou called Fukudome 'the guy from Japan', Crane Kenney actually sounded interested in baseball, and Jim Hendry seemed to have an exceptional mental agility.

Not that I was testing Hendry for the sort, but he just seemed on top of his game. Hendry and Lou keep pounding the fact that there will probably be two more moves before camp. Obviously, no names could be released.

One of my favorite parts of the morning session was Crane Kenney explaining to the CubDUMB portion of the audience, that the New York Mets made $400 million off of their last naming rights deal with Citibank. The silence in the room from the stupids was priceless. "Boy, that's a lot of money!" No shit. I can't wait for Boeing Stadium at Wrigley Field. Cha. Ching.

Another oddity of the morning press conference was Crane Kenney's consistent chiming that Sam Zell DOES have the option of being partial owner of the Chicago Cubs AND the Chicago White Sox with NO EXPIRATION DATE. This seemed to stun most people in the room, including myself. Apparently, Kenney and baseball execs met a couple weeks ago to speak on the pending Tribune deal. Word is Zell has no intention of selling the club, nor his under 5% share in the White Sox. Apparently, this is legal. Kenney explained to us that one of Zell's partners was the one fixated on the Sox, not Zell. Mmm, okay. But isn't shareholding, shareholding? Or is there a certain percentage that Zell would have to be invested with the White Sox to make this a no-go? Maybe I just didn't read enough of the FANTASTIC WORK by 1060west.net over the previous year? I'll go with the ladder.

Away from the financial fracas, Jim Hendry and Lou Piniella played hero all night long. 85-77 was the work of magicians, and the fans let the two know of these successes repeatedly throughout the day.

You could see Hendry and Piniella's confidence as a complete 180 degree turn from last year. The rotation was so grandiose, the two stated with little hesitance that 'they are the team to beat this upcoming year'. It's always fun for Cubbie Blue to get a little bit of a swagger, ain't it?

The biggest mistake of my day was not taking a single pad of paper, or pen (as I'm sure you have noticed).

What followed after this staggering swagger fix, was the beginning of what many of my cohorts were warning me from the night before: Santo Marte de Rosa de Assisi Fever.

Apparently, unbeknownst to many of us at 1060west, Mark DeRosa won the 2007 N.L.Central for the Chicago Cubs. You would've thought from the comments during the Q and A, that Hendry was proposing to send DeRosa to Cuba for a box of cigars!

Jesus Christ, people! DeRosa only started 88 games at second, last season. He had 13 starts in RF, 5 starts at 1B, and even one start in LF. This doesn't even show the countless games he rotated to other positions after starting at second. Bringing in Brian Roberts is not going to end the Mark DeRosa experience.

I'm being serious people. You weren't there. DeRosa is apparently the #1 lovechild of the WGN-loving crowd. They must be going here for DeRosa's stats.

I love DeRosa as much as the next guy, but he can play more than second base. Click here for methods of cannonization. I would like Santo Marte De Roa de Assisi to be buried next to St. Retardus, the patron saint of believe bracelets.

I did go to the microphone on behalf of 1060west to question Hendry on the importance of keeping Jason Marquis as the number five starter. I wanted to ask him specifically, 'What do you value more; a guaranteed 30-35 starts a year guy, or somebody with the potential to move up in the rotation?' Sounds like an odd question, but I just wanted to see where they stood with the Biz Marquis. The man wasn't to be found all weekend, and was mentioned in numerous trade talks.

Unfortunately, time ran out and I was unable to deliver.

KATHY AND JUDY AND SEVEN HUNDRED SEXUALLY DEPRIVED WOMEN

To explain why, how, or what propelled me to remain in the Grand Ballroom for this waste of existence is beyond my comprehension. Oh, yeah, now it hit me. JIm Leo sucked me into this vortex of the universe by stating it was one of the more FUN convention highlights. Let me tell you this: If 'Jay Baller's Chest Hair History' was in Ballroom C, I would've gladly taken the ladder.

Kathy and Judy spent the time drooling over Matt Murton (married), Ryan Theriot (married), Mark DeRosa(married), Frank Sinatro!, (married and OLD), and Stevie Eyre (married, and wait, WTF???! Scott Eyre?!)

Questions varied from, 'What body part would you change the most about you?', to 'Where did you propose to your wife?'

The question I quickly asked myself was 'When the fuck am I going to get out of this room?' The answer was 'quickly.' Pat and I scurried out of the room to get to the coaching conference.

COACHING CONFERENCE

Gerald Perry's voice was akin to Ron Harper/Bob Love combination...if Harper and Love had been drinking since 6 a.m.

Seriously.

If the Cubs ever have Perry speak to the populace again, I would like an interpreter. The gist of Perry's ramblings went something like this:

Hannngne ovr duh wayul, plers like theriot or no soriano dey someone tole me wunts, uh, uh, hangenn,e, ayi, fassball, yousidufk, look for a zone, and, if, taken a ball, just, hann brainin bal..you, uh. You gotta hit it.

What? Good thing our hitting coach can't speak a discernable word of english. I don't want Theriot or Ramirez understanding one fucking word that retard is spewing.

The star of the show, once again, was ole Lou Piniella. There's just this odd confidence in the old fudger. It reminds me of some guy you'd want in your platoon if you went to war: someone who's slightly crazy, but impeccably brilliant; a major necessity during war time. I'm not sure that matters when it comes to baseball, but something to chew on nonetheless.

What did I learn from the exhibition? Not a damn thing.

CHICAGO CUBS STORY TELLING

I really put a lot of weight on this portion of the day, and to tell the truth, it was kind of underwhelming.

Rick Sutcliffe, Lee Smith, Ron Santo, and Ernie Banks each took apart in the festivities.

Sutcliffe retold the story of Maddux getting in trouble for beaning the Padres in retaliation for Dawson's beaning in '87. That was kind of cool. Lee Smith called former Boston manager Joe Morgan the stupidest person he worked for. Pretty funny. Outside of that, not the greatest thing.

My favorite portion of the storytelling came during Ron Santo's egg-timer story. After the Don Young debacle, Williams and Hundley played a trick on Santo, putting an egg timer in a box, and playing it for a time bomb. Santo fell for it, and tried to get the entire team to evacuate the clubhouse. Uproarious laughter, right? Who cares.

My favorite part of the stanza was when he had to admit the portion of the hate mail he received after making comments about Young. "What's that," you say? Santo isn't the saint he makes himself out to be? Damn truth. The guy ruined the SOB's career, and got off easy. I just wish the majority of CubDUMB would recognize that Santo was not the greatest man of all time.

60 Years of WGN and the Cubs

Jack Rosenberg, Bob Brenly, Len Kasper, and Bob Vorwald. By far, the best thing we saw all day.

I could listen to Rosenberg talk for about nine years. The hour began with a rebroadcast of Don Cardwell's final out in the 1960 no-hitter against the Cardinals. The video can be seen here at museum.tv. If you haven't seen this, you are not a fan.

Stories about Arne Harris, Jack Brickhouse, Harry Caray, or today's guys never gets old.

We were given a 15 minute preview of a 2 hour special that is scheduled to debut on WGN in March. All I can say is, 'wow'. Once again, WGN is going to outdo themselves, and create one of the must-haves for any Cub history nut. The footage they got on Santo, Banks, and Williams was off the hook.

I've never met Len Kasper in person. All I know, is that sitting in front of him, I could sense a total understanding of where we come from. Len hasn't been a lifelong Cub fan, but he gets it. I don't know what the fuck that means, but it means something. He knows there is a place for fans like us, or the 'W' flag waving fans, the 'believe bracelet' fans, the heckler fans, the old lady fans, etc. He seems to understand that their are so many more divisions to Cubdom than most people realize. I came away from this meeting having a much deeper respect.

Leaving the program, we ran into new Lasik eye surgery recoveree Tom Shearer. The former Channel 5 sports man was a pleasure. Shearer was actually just there as a fan, not on news. He asked us if this was our first convention, etc. Good guy. He did try to pick up my buddy's girl however. Just coz you got Lasik don't make you Touchdown Jesus, Tom!

In the end, we got to get close with Bill Madlock, Daryle Ward, Dave Otto, and Tom Shearer. Not a bad day. And, while waiting in line to speak with Cub management, I got grabbed on the ass by a 60 year old ex-principal who told me that "Judy Markee used to sit in on our Sex Education classes" at school.

Creeeeeeeepy.

Stay away strange Cub fan, stay away.

In the end, I had to stave him off with 5 bucks and a pack of naked Dave Martinez cards.

All in all, a good day. So, from here to Timbuktu, I say: 88-74 in '08!

posted by JDools

Cubs add Shingo

Friday, January 18, 2008


The Trib's Paul Sullivan reports on the Cubs big move prior to the convention. The Cubs have added an arm that more than likely will wind up closing games at Iowa.


The Cubs added former White Sox reliever Shingo Takatsu on Friday. Terms of the deal have not been released.

Takatsu, 39, spent all of 2004 and part of 2005 in Chicago. In 99 games in the majors with the Sox and the New York Mets, Takatsu collected 27 saves over 98 2/3 innings. He gave up 81 hits, 17 homers and 40 walks. His ERA was 3.38.
What the hell is next? Britt Burns?

posted by CCD

Opening the convention

Well here it is Cubs Convention weekend. For me, the convention always brings to mind the words of one Bill Shatner(before he started selling hotel deals and airline deals)...



NOTE: bad kermit over at hirejimessian.com has a post that every Cub fan should read about a luncheon with Jim Hendry. This is probably the most honest look into what Jim Hendry really thinks about several current and ex-Cubs, the media, and baseball. On the interweb it doesn't get much better...

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Selig to be commisioner forever

Thursday, January 17, 2008

Well not quite.

Crane Kenney may want to look for another gig after he's let go by Sam Zell. It turns out Bud Selig won't be going anywhere soon. According to all major new services Uncle Bud has gotten a contract extension until 2012. LMAO.

I guess the reason for this extension is pretty damn simple. This from SportingNews.com:

But under his watch, MLB has more than quintupled industry revenue, set numerous attendance records, developed a large battery of new or remodeled stadiums, rebuilt its working relationship with the players' union, and developed what is widely considered the gold standard for league-based Internet operations.


While many baseball fans might be upset, this is alright for this blog which has lost too many of our long time whipping boys recently. It started when Andy MacPhail and Dusty Baker left, that was followed by the departure of Dennis FitzSimons. Soon we won't have Jim Hendry to pick on any more. So it's onward and upward as we follow the adventures of Uncle Bud for the next four years.

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posted by CCD

Blast from the past

Wednesday, January 16, 2008


Jon Lieber had his most success in the big leagues when he was with the Cubs. Now the Cubs and Lieber will try to relive some of that success. Lieber has joined the Cubs and will pitch in the backend of the Cubs rotation in 2008. FoxSports.com's Ken Rosenthal fills in all of the blanks...

Lieber, who turns 38 on April 2, was the last Cub to win 20 games, going 20-6 in 2001. He spent the past three seasons with the Phillies, but missed the second half of last season after suffering a ruptured tendon in his right foot.

The signing of Lieber could signal a trade of right-hander Jason Marquis or the return of righty Ryan Dempster to the bullpen.

Another possibility is that the Cubs are trying to build rotation depth in the event that they trade younger starters such as right-hander Sean Gallagher and/or lefty Sean Marshall, possibly in a deal for Orioles second baseman Brian Roberts.

Lieber will be in the Cubs' rotation, according to a source; without that understanding, he would have signed with another club. He was offered more money by other teams, but wanted to return to the Cubs.


Interesting that he has been guaranteed the fifth slot in the rotation.

posted by CCD

1989. The start, finish, and execution of the modern day Chicago Cub fan.

Monday, January 14, 2008



Going through my cluttered sun room yesterday I came upon a rusty stack of old record books I kept as a child. The overwhelming majority of these books had been marked by countless highlighted facts, created personal statistics, and imaginary resolutions to games that never occurred. Scourging through these documents emitted the usual melancholic nostalgia for yesteryear. Melancholic, I say, because the heap in my hands was filled with years of lost hope.

Thought emerges; I used to care a lot more.

I used to care so much that I went to my local mall during the winter of 1989/90 and purchased a book from The Sporting News called “1989 National League Averages and Box Scores”. It was one of the few things my father bought for me not on my birthday or Christmas Day.

I never got what made him say ‘yes’ to the purchase. My father was relatively cheap in those days, and was busting his ass to make ends meet. But, for some reason, on some boring evening in the Hawthorn Mall in Vernon Hills, Illinois, he decided to purchase this beacon of statistical goodness.

Before the purchase, to tell you the truth, I had never looked at the book. I thought I was looking at a 1989 book with 1988 stats. Driving home, I noticed that the stats in The Book gave out all of the box scores of the 1989 season.

1989. Oh dear, Jesus! Yahtzee! While communism was beginning to fall all around eastern Europe, my own coup had been scored with the purchase of This Record Book.

I wouldn’t need “Boys of Zimmer” on VHS. That video only recounted a couple of games during the championship campaign. This Box Score Book contained every moment of every game. Every Domingo Ramos at-bat. The result of every Mitch Williams inning.

And why did the fact The Book had 1989 results, and not 1987 or 1988 results really matter? Was it just because the Cubs had gone 93-69, and had won the division?

I thought that was the reason.

Looking back, I think the main reason for my love of that particular book had to do with what it represented for Cubdom.

1989 suckered me.
And, if you are reading this, it probably suckered you.

Like many of you, I knew when Rafael Palmeiro went to Texas for Wilkerson, Kilgus, and Williams, it was a mistake. It was a terrible mistake.

When the Cubs only won a couple of pre-season matches, I knew the Cubs didn’t have the talent to compete.

When management didn’t go out to get anybody to complement Dawson or Sandberg by opening day, the Cubs were done.

When the Cubs banked on Rick Sutcliffe’s health, I knew we were finished.

When the Cubs tried to convince us that a rookie by the name of Jerome Walton could patrol Center Field on opening day, my father laughed.

When Jim Frey told us that he was doing whatever he could for the team to win, we knew he was full of shit.

When I came home from school on Opening Day 1989 with the bases loaded and nobody out, with Mike Schmidt at the plate, the season had ended.

I sat there with my back pack dragging from my leg. I had run all the way home from the bus stop to catch the last stages of the Cubs in action. And I got this.

My father, wrecked by too many Cub losses, folded his clothes in a calming manner. He had watched Schmidt destroy the Cubs singled handedly with a four homer game in ’76. Schmidt owned the Cubs in Wrigley. We all figured this would be the end of it. Schmidt hits the homer, Mitch Williams gets booed off the field, and Don Zimmer gets fired. Jim Frey gets canned. It was going to happen. My father and I had already made the plan for both to get out of town.

Then those rancid sons of bitches suckered me.
Suckered me good.

Like an ex-girlfriend from college coming home just to ‘check-in’ with her ole sweetheart.

The Cubs, Mitch Williams, the ivy, Old Style, all of that sentimental bullshit suckered me in 1989. Suckered me in about 15 pitches.

And if it didn’t happen to you, you are a lying sack of shit. It was impossible not to believe. Nothing can stop you from CubDumb. Once it takes you, it’s like a magnetic beam.

Mitch Williams blew past Mike Schmidt, Mark Ryal, and Chris James as if they were Gary Scott, Jeff Kunkel, and Willie Greene.

The thing about Mitch in ’89? Mitch just didn’t give a fuck.

Mitch could’ve walked three straight batters, and had been facing Ruth, Gehrig, and DiMaggio, it wouldn’t have mattered. The son of a bitch just didn’t care in ’89.

And none of us questioned it. We all just got sucked in by this wave of CubDumb that threatened to end the future of the Cubs, as we knew it.

The Cubs got off to a torrid 8-2 start, then tapered off to 17-18. The hot start permitted the Cubs to falter quite a bit. The Cubs went through a multitude of injuries.

They once started an outfield of Doug Dascenzo, Gary Varsho, and Mitch Webster. Dear Jesus. How did we get through that one?

Then, the shit really took off.

All sorts of weird shit happened in games: Rick Wrona made a squeeze bunt to beat the Mets on national TV. Mitch Williams hit a fucking home run. They pulled off a double steal in Cincinnati that was a factor in winning the game. They came back from a 9-0 deficit to beat Houston. Andre Dawson with ½ of a good knee ran all the way from first base to score on a double to beat the Cardinals.

It goes on:

A pitcher hit a double in the 11th to win a game! Les Lancaster, that’s right, Les Lancaster hit a double to beat the Giants on national TV. The Cubs had come back from being down 3-0 in the bottom of the 9th with two outs.

Lloyd McClendon hit a home run in his first Cub at bat.

Shawon Dunston ended a game with a double play off of a POP UP.

Did I mention Mitch Williams hit a fucking home run?

The whole damn thing never made sense.

Didn’t have to. I was 9. These things could happen, right?

The player performances defied any rational explanation.

The 1989 Cubs may have been the first team to make Bill James contemplate suicide.

They over performed every single prediction made on any level.



Rick Sutcliffe stayed healthy for a full season in only the second time since 1984. Mike Bielecki won 18 games, his highest total ever. Greg Maddux won a career high (at the time) 19 games. Les Lancaster’s ERA was, what, 2.35? Mitch Williams made 36 saves in his first year as a closer. Steve Wilson won his first five decisions.

Jerome Walton, a rookie, decided to go on some random-ass 30 game hit streak. Damon Berryhill, the Cubs projected catcher, was injured most of the year. The Cubs succeeded with Rick Wrona and Joe Girardi, two rookies, behind the plate. Ryne Sandberg decided he was a power hitter, and hit 30 home runs. Mark Grace hit a then career high .314. Vance Law’s average dropped dramatically. SO, Lloyd McClendon decided to come up from the minors and hit .286 with 12 home runs in his place.

Dwight Smith came up from the minors and hit .324.

Gary Varsho won a 1-0 game with an RBI triple.

Luis Salazar showed up one day, and hit .325 the rest of the year.

Curtis Wilkerson and Domingo Ramos played baseball on a team that won games.

Mitch Webster was there! Maybe Toto, too. We can’t verify.

Dawson was supposed to carry the offense with Sandberg, and hit only .252 with 21 home runs. So, how could they win? See above.

It all happened, at the same time. A whirlwind.

The team that had no answer for any criticism in spring training now had an answer for any situation.

Before the playoffs, we were all so damn sure those Giants from San Francisco would have no answer for our ‘Full O’ Answer Cubs’.

I fell in love too early

Will Clark looked like what baseball players should look like. Come to think of it, the entire ’89 Giants team just looked so damn mature in this series. Kevin Mitchell just seemed to squeeze the life out of us. Robby Thompson always had an answer. Les Lancaster didn’t.

The cruelest joke may have been Game 5. Down 3-1, in the ninth inning, the Cubs made a furious rally. Single, single, single. It was 3-2. Oh, dear! Sandberg is at the plate. Bedrosian looks tired. Groundball. Game over. I hate Columbus Day to this day.

Scribbled pages

As I reach the end of The Book, it comes to mind all of the marks that have been made in the directory of 1989 baseball. I must have looked This Thing over in 90, 91, 92, hell, ’98, ’99. After all, it was proof.

It was proof that one day, far, far away in our existence, the perfect conditions of time and space created something that will never be experienced again. Never again.

I am thoroughly convinced to THIS DAY that there is no team in professional sports history that rivals the oddity that was the 1989 Chicago National League Ballclub.

The book is a sham.

So, was the team. So, was the ivy. Wrigley Field. Harry Caray, Steve Stone, Chuck Cottier, Al Michaels on ABC’s Thursday Night Game of the Week, Marvell Wynne, Pat Perry, the whole damn thing was a lie.

For years after, my buddies and I would be suckered in by TribCo, Ed Lynch, Larry Himes, Andy McPhail, and other contemporary associates of the Chicago Cubs.

We were told it could be just like 1989.

“Just envision it!” they said. “Derrick May could hit .324 just like Dwight Smith. And what if, what if, what if this trade for Jody Gerut turns out like getting Salazar in ’89? What if Jaime Navarro does what Bielecki did in ’89, and pulls together an 18-7 season?
Couldn’t you imagine if Gary Scott just gets his game together?! This offense will be unstoppable. If Lieber and Wood make 30 starts, it’ll be just like Maddux and Sutcliffe in ’89.

During the games, it’s worse:

“I know we are down 3-0 with two outs, but hot damn, if I didn’t remember that crazy game against the Giants in ’89, anything is possible!”

“So, we’re down 9-0! C’mon, it’ll be just like the Astros comeback, it will be great.”

“I know we lost this 3 game lead over St. Louis, but remember in ’89. They thought they caught us, and then, SALAZAR!’



It never ends

After that season, you didn’t have to get better if you were Chicago Cubs management.

You just needed to sell that 1989 is just around the corner.

“Just you wait, kids! Just you wait, and see! Look how it will all come together. It will be memorable. Bring your kids! Bring your parents, bring the neighbors. It’s going to be one fucking unforgettable ride!”

To this day, 1989 created a group of Cub fans that think showing up is chance enough at a World Series crown.

All 1989 really proved is that shit happens.

That’s too big of a concept to get at 9 years of age, but it’s much easier at 27.

I took the book, smiled, and put it back at the bottom of my history books.

It deserves to be buried next to my ole copies of Hunter S. Thompson and Henry Miller. The 1989 team can live with the freaks of nature, where they belong.

posted by JDools